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Post by will on Sept 16, 2005 20:34:26 GMT
Just how turney are the Randal luge trucks is they're loose? just wondering
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Post by Joel on Sept 19, 2005 15:15:33 GMT
how long is a piece of string dude!
However...
Lets start by defining "turney". As we know a skateboard/luge truck steers by shifting your weight over to one side of the board. The sensitivity of the truck (how much pressure it takes to make the truck turn a set distance) is adjusted by tightening the Kingpin down onto the rubber bushing. The looser the kingpin the less pressure it takes the to move the trucks and turn the board, making it more "turney".
Advantages of being "turney": Obviously needing less pressure to turn makes a board more responsive in turn making it easier to get round tight corners and switchbacks.
Disadvantages of being "turney": Being more sensitive means that small movements will affect the boards handling. Constantly having to control and correct your movements, especially on straits, takes a lot of effort and concentration. Sensitive trucks at speed can lead to speed wobbles which slow you down and will often end up in a crash.
Randals vs. Z-Rollers (that age old argument)
Randal Luge trucks are not considered to be as "turney" as the Z-Rollers, meaning that for the same pressure the Z-Rollers will turn the board more than the Randals. Many find that this means that the can throw their board into a corner faster and harder than on Randals (just look at the way BOS rides gurston). However, I also find that you are prone to over-steer and end up correcting yourself on the way out of the corner.
Randals on the other hand require a bit more pressure to turn. This means that you have a bit more control over them and where they are pointing, steering is not an “all or nothing, hold onto your nuts, here we go” experience. This is much better for straits, high speeds and longer, sweeping corners. Of course you can still set them up loose to get through tight hairpins (at the expense of high-speed performance), you may not be able to turn in quite as quickly as a Z-Roller, but you will probably have more control on the exit.
These key differences between the two trucks are most likely explained by way the hanger (bit with the wheels attached) attaches to the base plate (bit bolted onto your board). The Z-Roller is similar in design to a “Street/Trick” skateboards truck, with the Kingpin behind the axle. On the Randal the Kingpin is above the axle at 90 degrees to the steering angle. This means that on the Randal the hanger, when pivoting, is not fighting against angle to the Kingpin. It also means that in the long run there will be less stress, ware and damage to the bushings.
To be honest this really isn’t an argument any more, fewer and fewer riders are using Z-Rollers (even BOS has got some Randals).
To answer the question “How turney are Randals?” It depends how you set them up. Tighten them up and you’ll keep pointing forward, loosen them right off and you’ll rail the tightest corners. They may not turn quite as sharply as a Z-Roller, but through the corners and on the straits you will have more control over them.
See the Z-Rollers topic in this section for a bit more info.
Joel
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Post by JasonA on Sept 19, 2005 22:47:39 GMT
Bottom line, the Randals were designed for Luging, the Z-rollers weren't.
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Post by BOS on Sept 20, 2005 19:22:17 GMT
I like the all or nothing hold onto your nuts experience.
Rode with randalls fot the first time at belchford on sunday and after riding my z-rollers on my ally luge the randals were so much better. This maybe because i didnt bother tightening my z-rollers and the nylon on the nut wasnt touching the bolt, but when my luge with randals on hit one of the many bumps my luge kicked my feet and arse up but it kept on course and didnt throw me into a wobble and into a hedge. The randals provided a much steady, precise ride. However I still beleive that the only places you will see a major difference in performance between the two trucks is at different places. Gurston and possibley white air (we will see) still are best suited to z-rollers. Look at the facts - people riding z-rollers did rubbish at dalby this year. Good riders such as Len and myself were down the field and I belive trucks and wheelbase were to blame (this aint an excuse)! Where as Me, Len and Mr Christie at Gurston usually beat the likes of Joel and Jason A. Horses for courses?? Discuss!
BOS
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Post by Joel on Sept 21, 2005 9:51:56 GMT
I agree. Tighter slower courses are defiantly more suitable for Z-Rollers, not saying that Randals suffer on them and should be second choice, but if you're on Zs your better off on a course like this over a longer fast one with more sweeping corners. Randals will cope well with courses like White Air and Gurston, but excel on courses like Dalby.
You do seem to suggest that you were cheated by better equipment at Dalby, where as at Gurston victory was purely as a result of your ability. Hmmm..... I disagree. This discussion is now an age old one and I can't believe people still argue over it. When it comes down to it equipment is only one part of winning, but by far the biggest part is the ability, preference and style of the rider.
Gurston is not only a completely different type of course to Dalby, but it is also a completly different style of racing as well. Gurston is a time-trial format, to win you have to rely completely on knowledge of the course, breaking points, etc. but nothing ever changes, except the weather. On a head-to-head, 4-up or 6-up race you have added elements thrown in, the unpredictability of other riders, alternative lines, overtaking points, drafting, etc. Different riders have different preferences. I get the impression that you (BOS) prefer time-trials, on the other hand I definitely prefer multi-rider formats as I have a more adaptive style.
Personally I am not hugely keen on UK roads, for the most part they are too narrow (Hill Climbs), short (White Air) and there are rarely any proper hairpins, just 90-degree bends (Gurston), and tones of traffic. Roads like this do not provide us with the experience and training required to seriously compete with riders from other countries where that have long mountain roads with amazing corners and no traffic. This is why we need to attend more events on the continent and get events like Traws and Avimore up and running.
Joel
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Post by will on Sept 21, 2005 19:59:48 GMT
yer i think joel is right we need to get more of these's sorts of courses like aviemore as it luks pretty insane and a real challenge to ride and race on. I'm really looking forward to White Air and can't wait to see you all again!! Will
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Post by BOS on Sept 22, 2005 17:40:34 GMT
Blimey mr King that post was very Simpson-esq! I was mearly stating an observation at Dalby! But you cant ride a lesser quality of equipment and expect to still beat guys with ability and the right equipment just because your as good as them! I dont prefer time-trials I prefer racing as theres more pressure and more challenging. Its just that at Gurston its time-trials, I aint gonna complain or bitch about it Im just gonna get on with it!
BOS
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Post by Joel on Sept 22, 2005 17:52:47 GMT
Blimey mr King that post was very Simpson-esq! HOW DARE YOU!!! I am shocked and apauled, below the belt mate, below the belt! Quite agree with you, once ou take ability out of the equation then of course equipment will make a difference. At Dalby in particular I agree that Z's would be a disadvantage, though not a huge one. I also agree that your (ond other users) positions may very well have been affected by them. Soz I caused offence. as I'm sure you are by forgetting to mention ability in your previous post. Bring on White Air, what trucks are you gonna use there, or are you gonna experiment? Joel
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Post by BOS on Sept 23, 2005 9:34:59 GMT
Im experimenting! I could potentially take three luges. But im only gonna take two. Me red and black one with 3 randals on and me silver one with 2 z-rollers! Apparently Len will have his new bit of kit and he is riding it with 180s! Anyone gonna do a stridey and ride siesmics?
Your probably right the simpson comment was probably swung around the knee area it was that far below the belt!
BOS
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Post by will on Sept 23, 2005 10:34:57 GMT
The lollipop runs on 3X randal 180's but the only problem is the crap rider me!! LOL!!
But when Joel rode it down gurston on that show day said that it was very turney. so who knows maybe at white air could be a winner with the tuneyness? and also it might help if i braked going into that hairpin?
but all in all i'm really looking forward to the event as a whole!! Will
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Post by Joel on Oct 3, 2005 12:34:18 GMT
so who knows maybe at white air could be a winner with the tuneyness? Guess not, LOL!!! Must be the rider coz Dez was bloody quick on it!
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Post by BOS on Oct 3, 2005 16:43:21 GMT
Nah I think it was the leathers that made Des quick! Being in my leathers must have rubbed off on him and he was quick! I take full credit for des's speed over the weekend! But I think des's lanky frame has ensured this feat will never be replicated as my leathers are now f**ked!
BOS
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Post by dez on Oct 3, 2005 19:45:43 GMT
im so sorry ben i ment to see you on the ferry about your leathers and give you some money to sort them out, if you have a pay pal acount give me your adress and tel me what you want(as i have some money on there that wil never get used), i was just to hyper to care my bad, and i wasent that fast , not fats enougth any ways, wills riding is stil very good i just wished he had concentrated on the riding and not the women, if he had i think he might have won it#~!!!! so come on man keep up the good riding, get the pioratys right board first,then the women then you on top of the women,,,hahah,,,,see every one when i do next, hope fully il be abel to get in some practice this time and a new board as well, but at the end of the day i did prove one thing in butt board, its not the board that counts its the riding!(also i was liek the only person riding, but lets pretend everyone was trying,hahah
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Post by BOS on Oct 4, 2005 11:15:15 GMT
Its OK dude I was only joking! My mum thinks she can fix them so thats good and if she cant then im just gonna cut off the top and use it as a skating in jacket! And yes William get your priorities right! It goes in this order:
Riding Drinking Women
Although the first two is a close call!
BOS
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Post by will on Oct 4, 2005 15:00:03 GMT
Well, i dunno, what to say, buuuuuuut i like riding everything ;D! Streetluge, Buttboard, Stand-up that i could'nt really "home in" and be perfect on just one. But once i had came 2nd on the buttboard and tht it is such an improvement on last year's 4th i was so please and happy that loosing luge did'nt hugely bother me. But getting beaten by a hippy did!! LOL!! But thanx to everyone who helped in the mashilling , orgoniseation and the setting up of everything and also to BOS for giving me a lift there and back, aswell as a private consert featuring songs from: Take That, Johnney Cash and The Rolling Stones!! and all sang by the the BOS, it rocked!!
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Post by BOS on Oct 5, 2005 15:18:47 GMT
Yeah my singing rocked! Im sure there would have been a hell of alot more if we had played the 'who can drink the most red bull before worcester' game!
BOS
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Post by will on Oct 5, 2005 15:57:03 GMT
well i wanted to play it! but u wanted sleep when u got home lol!! and if we did play then we would of got off at the right junction instead i fell asleep! lol Will
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